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Guess which driver's facing 21 years in prison - the drunk , rich, white one or the sober, poor, black one?

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Two cars collided last year on Cinco de Mayo. Considering the date, you might assume that at least one of the drivers was drunk — and you'd be right. Laura Varker was 17 years old, and she'd been tubing down the Salt River all day with her eight best girlfriends. Their T-shirts all read "Cinco de Drinko." Even an hour after the accident, Varker's blood-alcohol level was 0.09, over the legal limit for adults.

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{"commentId":1397058,"authorDomain":"obsidianspider"}

I can't even begin to describe how messed up that is.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1397112,"authorDomain":"fehrenbacher"}

What a crock of @!$%#! I hope to God that that girl pays for it in some way. That man's life is ruined. If he gets locked up it will be a win for politics in justice. A place politics doesn't belong. How can you charge him for ANYTHIG?! what a crock of @!$%#.....jeezus I'm so tired of people getting the short end of the stick for things they didn't do.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1397753,"authorDomain":"Prilj"}
How can you charge him for ANYTHIG?! what a crock of @!$%#

While I do agree that this guy is getting way too much of the blame, he DID flee from the scene of an accident, so he should be charged for that, but manslaughter? 21 years in prison for an accident that may not have been his fault is just plain ridiculous.

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  • 8 votes
#2.1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:46 PM EST
{"commentId":1397822,"authorDomain":"iameverydaypeople"}

They arrested him, charging him with manslaughter, aggravated assault, leaving the scene of a fatal injury accident, unlawful flight from law enforcement, and five counts of endangerment.

He should be charged with leaving the scene, and she should be charged with impaired driving and manslaughter.

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  • 8 votes
#2.2 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:59 PM EST
{"commentId":1398351,"authorDomain":"fehrenbacher"}

I'm not saying he's not in the wrong; we've all driven when we were either more tired or more intoxicated than we should be, but it's amazing how this stupid little bimbo could get off so lightly. Don't you agree? The manslaughter charges are blowing this whole thing out of proportion. He did what he thought was best given the situation. He panicked. Give the man a break. He was in a much better position than those girls. How stupid can some kids be? Why didn't the sober one drive? This is way more about the girl NOT getting punished than the guy getting more than he deserved.

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  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:22 PM EST
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{"commentId":1397230,"authorDomain":"newsguru"}

Wow. Sad story.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:56 PM EST
{"commentId":1397406,"authorDomain":"ScarlerTermite"}

What can be done to help this man?

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  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:29 PM EST
{"commentId":1397588,"authorDomain":"davebg8r"}

From what is printed in the story, which Im sure is not the whole story, she is at fault completely. Unless he came out of nowhere and cut her off, which it does not seem like, the person behind is at fault. If you rear-end anyone, it is just about guaranteed you are found at fault. She was intoxicated, she had a similar prior which can be brought in to show a pattern of behavior.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:05 PM EST
{"commentId":1397783,"authorDomain":"seward"}

Could this indeed be a case of "One law for the rich and another for the poor?" Or, even, dare I say it?

"One law for Whites, one law for people of colour?"

Mind you, having said this, he should not have left the scene of the accident, nor, do I feel that executing a "U" turn on a busy road is a very sensible idea, legal or not.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:52 PM EST
{"commentId":1401235,"authorDomain":"rascal2pt0"}

Its the same reason why crack cocaine has a higher penalty that powder cocaine. Crack cocaine is cheaper and more affordable by disadvantaged minorities. Its the rich that buy the "quality" drug even though they are for all intensive purposes the same drug its an easy way to place racism in a law.

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  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:57 PM EST
{"commentId":1402194,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

They recently changed the sentencing rules retroactively. There are 20,000 inmates about to be released because of the ruling.

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  • 4 votes
#6.2 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:17 PM EST
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{"commentId":1397861,"authorDomain":"jwbuchan"}

I believe that some states have laws that state that if a driver is over 0.08, he or she is a at fault no matter what. If that isn't the case here, obviously whoever caused the accident is liable. Unfortunately, many percieve that a person who hits-and-runs is basically admitting guilt. It doesn't sound like he's necessarily saying that she caused the accident. He isn't saying that he caused it either though. She isn't saying much of anything at all.

To me it sounds like both drivers were at fault. One was drunk and following too closely. The other made a turn when there was insufficient room to do so, then drove away. Thats 4, count 'em FOUR bad actions going on here.

The fact that the girl wasn't charged for a DUI is surprising at best, definitely suspicious. If the court finds that either of them was guilty of driving their cars in a negligent manner, then that can lead to a vehicular homicide charge.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:08 PM EST
{"commentId":1402197,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

No one gets it. The girl will never be judged in court. She has not been charged with anything. Until she has been charged no judge will ever see her.

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  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:18 PM EST
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{"commentId":1397885,"authorDomain":"seward"}
then that can lead to a vehicular homicide charge.

I take it that's what we in Britain would call "Death by Dangerous Driving?"

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  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:16 PM EST
{"commentId":1397900,"authorDomain":"leftist"}

underaged drinkers are morons and should be locked up until death

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  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1397934,"authorDomain":"mareejanee"}
underaged drinkers are morons and should be locked up until death

Thank you Adolf!

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  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1398495,"authorDomain":"jwbuchan"}

Wow, do you know how many people in the US actually wait until their 21st birthday to drink any alcohol? There wouldn't be enough sober prison guards too keep 'em in.

CNN

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  • 6 votes
#9.2 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:55 PM EST
{"commentId":1399526,"authorDomain":"atonhunter"}

Zig heil! Zig heil! :-)

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  • 3 votes
#9.3 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:37 AM EST
{"commentId":1407905,"authorDomain":"leftist"}

I waited...... and it was a disappointment. Wine, beer - it all tastes like garbage.

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    #9.4 - Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:23 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1398305,"authorDomain":"brendamayer"}
    At least one witness, a friend of Varker's who was just behind her on the highway, told deputies that the other car was slowing too dramatically for her to stop; Varker had to lurch into the center lane just to avoid rear-ending him.

    If this friend was just behind Varker on the highway, and if she is correct that the guy making the u turn slowed too dramatically for Varker to stop, then how is it that she was not caught up in the accident as well? This doesn't make sense.

    Plus, the police didn't get around to questioning the Varkers friends until months after the accident?!? The kid screwed up this bad and the parents are hiring attorneys and investigators?!? Way to go parents, good job teaching your kid how to accept responsibility. Your kid drives drunk (17 yo and all of them wearing "drinko de mayo" shirts?!? WTF), her friend dies, she has a fake id, and you try to get her off scot free! Nice! I'm sure she'll turn out to be quite the responsible citizen. They need to do us all a favor and keep their little menace away from the general public.

    Oh yeah, and these paragons of parenthood instructed their daughter's friends to not cooperate with the police.

    I'm pissed.

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    • 7 votes
    Reply#10 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:14 PM EST
    {"commentId":1400635,"authorDomain":"davebg8r"}

    And if he slowed too dramatically for her to stop then it probably means she was not at a proper distance from the car in front of her for the speed she was going.

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    • 6 votes
    #10.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:21 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1398997,"authorDomain":"witchofthenorth"}
    Guess which driver's facing 21 years in prison - the drunk , rich, white one or the sober, poor, black one?

    I guess the poor, black one. Where's my prize?

    Way to easy, I'm sad to say.

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    • 4 votes
    Reply#11 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:21 PM EST
    {"commentId":1407915,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

    Glinda, you got me. I finally chuckled through my tears.

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      #11.1 - Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:28 PM EST
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      {"commentId":1399084,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}

      U turns may be permitted, but in my state they are only legal when you check for oncoming traffic and you can make the turn safely.

      Agreed that the drunk driver should face a penalty here.

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      • 2 votes
      Reply#12 - Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:55 PM EST
      {"commentId":1399318,"authorDomain":"Aunk"}

      Hetep and Respect. Just in case there is anyone who thinks driving while Black in America is a made up phrase, don't try it in reality.

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      • 4 votes
      Reply#13 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:49 AM EST
      {"commentId":1399425,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

      I was in a car with a Korean man. A black CHP stopped him. He cited my friend for some made up charge. He then cited me for not wearing a seat belt. I was wearing it. (There is a lot of animosity between blacks and Koreans). He was basically cited for Driving While Korean. I was cited for Being in a Car With a Korean.

      This is not an unusual occurence.

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      • 4 votes
      Reply#14 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:55 AM EST
      {"commentId":1407919,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

      ..hey, nice class war set up.

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        #14.1 - Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:29 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1399490,"authorDomain":"STatWar"}

        I hope this will all get worked out in court, but my reason for posting is to question the title of the seed.

        Wilkerson was anything but sober. He had consumed alcohol that day, and while he was under the legal limit he was not sober. He had also smoked pot.

        I wasn't there, I didn't see it happen. But for all you know he could have braked too fast, like one of the witnesses stated.

        I say let a jury decide, instead of Sarah Fenske.

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#15 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:48 AM EST
        {"commentId":1400947,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}
        even after blood tests showed that Varker was legally drunk, and even after sheriff's investigators learned that it was she and another girl who'd flashed a fake ID and bought Coors Light and malt liquor for the group, Varker hasn't been charged with anything.

        While he has been jailed AND charged, NOTHING has happened to the underaged, drunk driver who allowed her friend to ride without a seat belt.

        Only one jury will hear charges, against the one with the least liability.

        1) By law he WAS sober, she was not.

        2) His initial actions were legal, hers never were.

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        • 5 votes
        #15.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:36 PM EST
        {"commentId":1402459,"authorDomain":"STatWar"}
        1) By law he WAS sober, she was not. 2) His initial actions were legal, hers never were.

        1.) By law he was NOT sober, he was just not legally intoxicated. There is a huge difference. He still had something to drink, and for some people .04 is drunk for them. 2) His initial actions like... leaving the scene of an accident? I also guess in Phoenix it is legal to smoke pot. You have him saying one thing, a witness saying another thing, and then the girl not saying much of anything at all. Right now we don't know what happened on that road, but it seems like everyone (even the cops) is jumping to conclusions with this. Maybe the girl will be charged with something later, or maybe the cops have a reason why they are not charging her right now. I don't know, I wasn't there. Funny thing is, neither was the author of the article and neither was anyone else on this entire seed.

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        • 2 votes
        #15.2 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:39 PM EST
        {"commentId":1402524,"authorDomain":"seward"}
        Funny thing is, neither was the author of the article and neither was anyone else on this entire seed.

        No, of course we were/t there, we are just stating our opinions, that's all. Isn't that an essential part of the Newsvine experience?

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        • 2 votes
        #15.3 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:04 PM EST
        {"commentId":1403135,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

        The accident occurred May 7, 2007. If she was going to be charged with something it would have happened by now.

        He is running out of time before his case will be heard in court. Judges allow 9-12 months for attorneys to prepare a defense then insist on cases being placed on the docket.

        She is off the hook.

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        • 3 votes
        #15.4 - Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:49 AM EST
        {"commentId":1405602,"authorDomain":"STatWar"}
        Isn't that an essential part of the Newsvine experience?

        Stating opinions, sure. But not stating opinion as fact. Not only did the original author of the seeded article write as if it was fact, but many responding are as well.

        Opinion is just that, opinion... not facts.

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        • 2 votes
        #15.5 - Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:28 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1399540,"authorDomain":"patsym546"}

        They should not have been driving drunk, but he also had onsumed alcohol and pot, and neither one of them should have been behind the wheel. Having said that, he should be charged for leaving the scene, and driving under the influence, and she should be charged with dui and all the other charges. No way she should walk free, but he also should not walk free. 21 years? no.

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        • 3 votes
        Reply#16 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:51 AM EST
        {"commentId":1399545,"authorDomain":"patsym546"}

        It is misleading title.

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#17 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:58 AM EST
        {"commentId":1402411,"authorDomain":"seward"}
        It is misleading title.

        Yes, I have often noticed how headlines can mislead, or even lie outright. The problem is, on some seeds you have the ability to change the headline or write your own, but others the headline automatically shows, and you can't change it.

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#18 - Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:18 PM EST
        {"commentId":1405029,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

        *sigh*

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#19 - Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:16 PM EST
        {"commentId":1405310,"authorDomain":"seward"}

        Is that a "sigh" to show you're fed up with us, Stolte-Sawa?

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        • 1 vote
        #19.1 - Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:28 PM EST
        {"commentId":1405648,"authorDomain":"stolte-sawa"}

        Not with you. I was sighing at the story. Actually, I believe my precise sentiments were:

        USA WTF?

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        • 3 votes
        #19.2 - Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:45 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1690908,"authorDomain":"jamezedees2"}

        2 wrongs dont make a right. Either they both get in trouble or the both get off. Its not really important to what happen. If they both had any alochol in there system, niether should have been driving...in which it would have never happen. Since it did happen....Who casued it is more liable.

        Im in tennessee....Theres a case similiar here to this one.... Both cars in accident were legal over the limit either on pills or alochol. one died and the other one is still alive. The one faces 12 years. But both were wrong and niether should have been there. So its hard to say.

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