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Analysis: Some Israelis want Obama tough love

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Each time a new U.S. president is elected, the question that leaps to Israeli minds is, "is he good for the Jews?"

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{"commentId":4090121,"authorDomain":"doak"}

Carter hates Jews !!!

He did nothing for the peace and even today he just specificly hates the Jews and does what ever he can for the Palestinians !!!

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    Reply#1 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:16 PM EST
    {"commentId":4090383,"authorDomain":"ddstern2"}

    Carter is history ! - if you want to dwell on history go back to school.

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      #1.1 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:47 PM EST
      {"commentId":4091205,"authorDomain":"libiure"}

      Might want to read up on Carter.

      He brokered some very important treaties concerning Israel.

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      #1.2 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:29 PM EST
      {"commentId":4091455,"authorDomain":"burkhart"}

      Carter does not hate Jews.  I do, but Carter doesn't.  He just sometimes sounds like he hates Jews because he tells the truth about them.

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      #1.3 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:02 PM EST
      {"commentId":4091799,"authorDomain":"eagonc"}

      How can jews ask the question "Is Obama good for jews?" without being racist?

      Isn't that like asking whether Obama will be good for whites?  Or blacks?  Doesn't the question itself betray a race based partisanship?

      Maybe it's time jews fell under the same standard they prescribe for the rest of us.

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        #1.4 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:56 PM EST
        {"commentId":4093748,"authorDomain":"abedagr8"}

        obama's choice of raul israel emanuel for cheif of staff was very comforting to jews!!!??

        this is crazy! his father was a terrorist. why dont they mention that? how can having a cheif of staff whose dad was a terrorist comforting?

        "Emanuel is a deeply committed Jew whose Israeli father was a member of Irgun, Israel's pre-state right-wing underground."

        can anybody please alert me to why this article does not mention that irgun was a terrorist organization? is it ok to be a israeli terrorsit working in washington? what if obama appointed osama bin laden's son as his cheif of staff? this is too sad. i guess obama had to make a deal with the devil in order to become president. just goes to prove once again just how influential the jewish lobby has become in washington.

        get the terrorist out of the white house! we dont negotiate with terrorist, we just appoint their sons as cheif of staff! shame on obama.

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        #1.5 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:03 AM EST
        {"commentId":4109519,"authorDomain":"jewbad"}

        Obama should set up a US embassy in both Gaza and the West Bank.

        Obama should also dismantle Israeli nuclear weapons industry.  The fanatic jews who are increasingly gaining political power in Israel are more dangerous tha Al Quaeda and the Taliban and if feel slightly threatened, will blow up the entire middle east if ot the whole world without betting an eye  

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        #1.6 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:32 AM EST
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        {"commentId":4090346,"authorDomain":"mbrad45"}

        Strange Doak; I seem to remember Carter bringing Menacham Begin and Anwar Sadat  together to forge a peace between Egypt and Isreal that has lasted over three decades.

        The deeper issue is why is the United States responsible for peace anywhere except with its immediate neighbors?  If the British Prime Minster's assertions are correct regarding a New World Order (heaven forbid), it seems the US can now take its rightful place among the community of nations and let others solve their own problems.  Takes a lot of pressure off of us.  These folks cannot have it both ways.  Seems as if they want us to be a world leader when it suits their own purposes but when it doesn't they seem to be telling us to mind our own business.

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          Reply#2 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:43 PM EST
          {"commentId":4090587,"authorDomain":"al-ghazi"}

          "Their fear stems from the demographic threat posed by Israel's occupation of Arab lands, as the size of the Arab population approaches the Jewish one and endangers Israel's existence as a Jewish and democratic state"

          What, it can't be democratic if non-Jews can vote?

          Translation: Israel, as it exists today, is a democracy in the same way South Africa and Mississippi used to be "democracies"....or, more to the point, to the same extent Algeria was a democracy in the 1950's, when only the French and the "acculturated" had a voice...If Palestinians could vote, Israel would be in deep trouble.

          Or not. Why does Israel have to be exclusively Jewish? Or Jewish with a little "Israeli Arab"  window dressing? Who does that benefit? Why is it to Israel's benefit to support medieval anachronisms like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the "Gulf States"? Or a vicious dictator like Mubarrak? Why not look beyong 19th century ideas of nationalism?

          America under Bush has bankrupted itself in pursuit of a set of policies that please Israeli hardliners, but are in many cases contrary to the interests of America and Americans. And Israel is no more secure than it was before, because security only comes from creating connections. If Israel settled with the Palestinians tomorrow, what would Iran have to talk about? Perhaps they'd go back to being what they were pre=1979, Israel's natural allies. Or be too busy setting their own house in order to be a threat.

          Because now, today, Israel and Iran are the only viable democracies in the region. Flawed though they are. And please do not bring up Lebanon, a neo-colonial masterpiece : There is no meaningful democracy in a land carved out to benefit a minority who have since largely emmigrated !!!

          Unless you are willing to look at Christian Lebanon through the lense of cold historical reality, and see there the paradox of Jewish Israel's potential future.

          Today's demographics aren't forever, especially when people vote with their feet. I live in LA, and there are over 100,000 Israelis who do, too. You do the math.

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          Reply#3 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:14 PM EST
          {"commentId":4092606,"authorDomain":"admona"}

          most of the Arabs that pose a threat to the Jewish majority in Israel are not Israeli citizens, but palestinians, who do not consider theyselves part of Israel.

          In israel, about 20% of the population is Arab, and they have equal rights, however, the status of that minoroty is very different frm that of African Americans, that are very clearly loyal to the US, which is clearly not the case with Israeli Arabs, who consider themselves loyal to the palestinian cause, and that is the distruction of Israel, that is, they hope that somehow the 6 million Jews, who are citizens of Israel, will somehow evaporate into thin air.

          Unlike South Africa, there is no state maintained segregation in Israel, and unlike Mississipi, Jews in israel do not lynch Arabs.

          The only country in the middle east that is totally exclusive is Saudi Arabia, where non Arabs can not become citizens, and non muslims are forbidden in the holy cities of Islam, but nobody criticizes that fact, not even in the US, and certainly not inside Saudi Arabia.

          Iran is not exactly a democracy,  it's a Theocracy with a "democratic" front.

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            #3.1 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:38 AM EST
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            {"commentId":4090987,"authorDomain":"UnitedStates1776"}

            Americans are sick of the incessant bickering and fighting between the Israelis and the Palestinians.  You both deserve each other.  You both take positions that make it impossible for anyone to help you resolve your problems.  You behave like immature children.  The US and the 'civilized' world has some real problems to solve now so excuse us if we don't take an interest in your self-inflicted misery.

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              Reply#4 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:02 PM EST
              {"commentId":4091054,"authorDomain":"ajani-1"}

              What would Jesus do? Would He be just for the Jews or for everybody? I have a friend who is a missionary in the middle east and he says the Jews treat the Palenstians like, *&$#&. I am all for Israel, but, if they treat others wrongly it  is not justified by God and should not be justified by America. The question for President-elect Obama shoud not be  "is he good for the Jews?" But, is he for everyone who does good will toward all men.

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                Reply#5 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:10 PM EST
                {"commentId":4091442,"authorDomain":"burkhart"}

                "Don't be afraid of the Jews."

                Disgusting. 

                It would be nice to have a president who did what was honorable, and that definitely would not include pandering to Jews.

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                  Reply#6 - Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:00 PM EST
                  {"commentId":4093678,"authorDomain":"abedagr8"}

                  if this article does not prove the unbalanced and unchecked influence the israeli lobby and influential jews have in washington and have on our foreign policy, than i dont know what will?

                  disgusting when you think how israel can continue a policy of occupation, invasion, starvation, assasination, and incarceration just to name a few, with the support and financing from our govt. and we wonder why the arabs hate us so much. stop the killing of innocent people, innocent people who are forced to resist an occupier, and we just might have a chance for peace. even israelis agree that their policies are unjust and inhumane. wake up america! free the white house and free palestine!

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                    Reply#7 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:53 AM EST
                    {"commentId":4095476,"authorDomain":"jimnmare"}

                    Its time for tough love towards Isreal is exactly it. We should make take care of themselves and deal with the problems they created for themselves. They continue to occupy lands  that they stole,they continue to cause more problems than they're worth,they continue to bomb at will anyone and everyone all because we will protect them. ENOUGH you made the bed you lay in it. The country of Isreal has been nothing short of terrorist themselves for a long period of time. Why should we back this country,when all they do is drag down the opinions of the world body and make us guilty by association.

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                    Reply#8 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:48 AM EST
                    {"commentId":4096138,"authorDomain":"wpcdias"}

                    The Israelis have been so focused on their own wants, they have forgotten their needs.  This article does show that there are people in Israel who recognize that their own belligerance has contributed considerably to this state of affairs.  Just as we have different groups in our country who have their own agendas and will not stop to think about what would happen if they did get their wish (Law of unintended consequences), the cultural divide between Zionists and Jewish people as a whole has been forgotten.  The zionists have always grabbed the megaphones denying the voices of reason from being heard.

                    The United States has had several antiquated left-over policies from the cold war such as the Cuban embargo and the never-ending drain on the U.S. treasury for its unquestioning support of zionist Israel completely ignoring the injustice done to the muslim people of Palestine for nearly 2000 years.  It was the defeat of Israel 2000 years ago by the Romans that left the vaccuum in Palestine, not the Russians, not Hitler, nor anyone else.  The Zionist movement was started long before Hitler and they were going about selling land legally in Palestine to Jewish people in Europe long before Hitler came to power and it was the Jewish people only some of whom bought the land but did not want to give up their lives in Eurpoe and those who did not take the opportunity to own Palestine who died in the Holocaust.  The 2 millennia old widespread anti-semitism prevalent throughout Europe and even in the USA should have made the a legally purchased Palestinian land for the unwanted Jewish people their dream come true.  Instead, it was the United Nations which caused the present problem in 1948 to assuage the distaste of the western countries for Jewish people mixed with the guilt of having stood by while they were subjected to genocide with the USSR with its own distaste for Jews and attempting to use creation of Israel for its own ends as a tool against the west.  What were the forcibly dispossessed muslim Palestinians to do? Simply see their homeland of 2000 years suddenly taken away without so much as a "by your leave".

                    George W. Bush did not start this problem and no US President since the creation of the State of Israel has changed the policy.  Remember who was president when Israel was created?  Harry Truman, that's who! Remember who was president before George Bush?  Bill Clinton, that's who!  Why?  The Jewish community in the US has steadfastly demanded unquestioning support for Israel, just as the exiled Cuban population since the JFK presidency.  Jimmy Carter did try and Anwar Sadat was assassinated.  It also brought into being another failed state being maintained with the bribe of US aid to Egypt almost on par with aid to Israel.

                    Finally, voices from Israel are calling for the tough love, for Israel, not the Palestinians.  It is time and it will make Iranian threats and other muslim threats irrelevant.  Barack Obama is a "trasformational figure" according to Colin Powell and here is his opportunity to lance the perennial boil on the a** of the world community.  They do not want to be interfered with intheir negotiations with the palestinians. Well, let's not!  It will save us billions.

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                      Reply#9 - Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:41 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4116988,"authorDomain":"pbaker196"}

                      WE must remember that Obama needs to be a peace maker at all times for both sides. If the Jews gave all the Gaza strip, they would not be happy. Something else will come up. Both sides are wrong if you ask me. Our govt has spent a fortune with the problems of both sides. The land was given to the Jewish April 1948 & still fighting with their half brothers. And say that Carter did nothing. He truly tried. But Sadat was murdered. That's pretty wild. Obama to me seems to be a peace maker. I hope no one murdersObama for trying. Jews have a democracy but the Palestinians have nothing. Someone needs to come to the table & fill diplomacy in the cup besides being stiff necked.

                      Some brokering could have happend with Bush but he was too involved East of Israel. Even Clinton tried. A Confrontational policy? Forget it. This time we might have a real chance.

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                        Reply#10 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:25 PM EST
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